Re: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship

Ian Dorion (dorioni@intellinet.com)
Thu, 01 May 1997 08:55:04 -0600

(Ian 5/1) Now perhaps each of you can see why some of our founding
fathers fought so hard for the separation of church and state. There
were some of these gentlemen that did want this country to be a
"Christian" country. Then of course, it had to be a "Protestant"
country. From there it went to "Episcopal' states and 'Congregational'
states.' Of course, the upstart religions, Baptists, Methodists and a
handful of the Presbyterians objected, among others.

This is where censorship leads, and that is only the beginning.

Would someone please remail this to all those on Jerry's list. Thank
you.

Ian Dorion
dorioni@intellinet.com

John Hamilton wrote:
>
> Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature file, and my reply.
> Once people start censoring objectionable speech the next step is always objectionable ideas.
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
> donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
> (I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible verse)
>
> |,,|/
>
> <X><
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
> To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric
B. Hedden; Farre
> Subject: RE: John Hamilton's remarks
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1) thing
crude about that poem.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
> donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
>
> Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible quote, are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a Bible discussion
list?
>
> |,,|/
>
> This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
>
> <X><
>
> This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for a Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for an
atheist to express his
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
> To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B. Hedden;
Farrell Till; Fred D. W
> Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's remarks
>
> ----------
> > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> > From: L. Davis
> > To: jerry@cwent.com
> > Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
> >
> >
> > Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't believe
> they
> > have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you please
> refrain?
> >