Re: 144,000 from ALL the tribes (to Mr. Till)

Ian Dorion (dorioni@intellinet.com)
Mon, 19 May 1997 10:41:46 -0600

> yoel haalmoni wrote:
> >
> > Hello! The following is a posting of mine from another list (Missionaries
> > vs Jews). Mr. Till- am I not correct in this? I am in a rush and couldn't
> > find a list of the 12 tribes, but I think the following is correct.
> >
> > yoel-
> > for those who do not know- the 144,000 is from the XB, Revelation 7:4-8. It
> > is, according to modern fundamentalists, supposed to be a prophecy and
> > reads:
> >
> > "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed; 144,000 from ALL the
> > tribes of Israel.
> >
> > >From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed
> > from the tribe of Reuben 12,000
> > from the tribe of Gad 12,000
> > from the tribe of Asher 12,000
> > from the tribe of Naftali 12,000
> > from the tribe of Menaseh 12,000
> > from the tribe of Simeon 12,000
> > from the tribe of Levi 12,000
> > from the tribe of Issaschar 12,000
> > from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000
> > from the tribe of Joseph 12,000
> > from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000"
> >
> > BUT THIS IS A MISTAKE! It's been years since I studied Judaism, so I may be
> > wrong, but I am certain that this is incorrect. They are omitting "Efraim"
> > and "Dan" and are including "Joseph" as a distinct tribe. Weren't Joseph's
> > sons seperate tribes? Menasheh is included above, but Efraim is not. And
> > Joseph is given as a distinct tribe. Also, Dan is missing. Isn't this list
> > wrong?
>
> (Ian 5/19) Of course this is wrong! Ephraim and Manasseh were the sons of Joseph so
> Manasseh should not be here. Dan was one of the tribes. Where did Naftali come from?
> See Number: 1-1, the first census.
>
> > Nevertheless, the introduction to this ridiculous list reads: "Then I heard
> > the number of those who were sealed; 144,000 FROM ALL THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL"
> >
> > Btw, the J Witnesses say that they are the 144,000, in spite of the fact
> > that there are already much MORE than 144,000 of them. (I guess this is
> > because they are the "real Israel" too!)