Re: 144,000 from ALL the tribes (to Mr. Till)
yoel haalmoni (core@rof.net)
Mon, 19 May 1997 12:28:35 -0600
>yoel haalmoni wrote:
>>
>> >> yoel haalmoni wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello! The following is a posting of mine from another list
>>(Missionaries
>> >> > vs Jews). Mr. Till- am I not correct in this? I am in a rush and
>>couldn't
>> >> > find a list of the 12 tribes, but I think the following is correct.
>> >> >
>> >> > yoel-
>> >> > for those who do not know- the 144,000 is from the XB, Revelation
>>7:4-8. It
>> >> > is, according to modern fundamentalists, supposed to be a prophecy and
>> >> > reads:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed; 144,000 from ALL the
>> >> > tribes of Israel.
>> >> >
>> >> > >From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed
>> >> > from the tribe of Reuben 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Gad 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Asher 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Naftali 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Menaseh 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Simeon 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Levi 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Issaschar 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Joseph 12,000
>> >> > from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000"
>> >> >
>> >> > BUT THIS IS A MISTAKE! It's been years since I studied Judaism, so
>>I may be
>> >> > wrong, but I am certain that this is incorrect. They are omitting
>>"Efraim"
>> >> > and "Dan" and are including "Joseph" as a distinct tribe. Weren't
>>Joseph's
>> >> > sons seperate tribes? Menasheh is included above, but Efraim is not. And
>> >> > Joseph is given as a distinct tribe. Also, Dan is missing. Isn't
>>this list
>> >> > wrong?
>> >>
>> >> (Ian 5/19) Of course this is wrong! Ephraim and Manasseh were the sons
>> >>of Joseph so
>> >> Manasseh should not be here. Dan was one of the tribes. Where did
>> >>Naftali come from?
>> >> See Number: 1-1, the first census.
>>
>> yoel-
>> Naftali is one of the tribes. Efraim and Menasheh were the sons of Joseph
>> and they are thought of as distinct tribes. Either they should have listed
>> BOTH Efraim and Menasheh or they should have listed ONLY Joseph (though I'm
>> not sure that the latter would be correct either). To list Joseph and
>> Menasheh is wrong. Also, Dan is missing. Levi is a tribe, but they were an
>> ecclesiastic tribe and I believe did not have land.
>
>(Ian 5/19) Yoel, learn to spell! Naphtali, not Naftali. :-)- Funny I didn't
>see it the first time.
yoel-
Actually, since it is a transliteration from Hebrew- it would be NFTLI.
There is no "ph" in Hebrew. This is an English idiosyncrisy.