> Dear Michael P. Hughes;
>
> While Jerry did indeed not censor John's signature file, he is still turning
> a blind eye to ad hominem arguments and insulting comments embedded in the
> letters of his Christian friends. His de facto policy is, these are just
> arguments if they come from a Christian. If you like being insulted, if you
> don't mind small digs with the elbow and comments about you, personally, and
> not your arguments, you will love Jerry's list. I guess this is Jerry's way
> of getting even for the beating he takes in a fair forum, like errancy. You
> have to be a saint <grin> to write a post critical of Christianity on Jerry's
> list, and the responses you will get prove that his Christian friends never
> seemed to have read all the instuctions in the Bible on how Christians are to
> act.
>
> Izz
McDonald 5/2
Izz, thank you for admitting that I did not censor John
Hamilton's signature on "Challenge." That is quite a concession
isn't it? I mean, after all, you people were having such a good time
yesterday talking about how I was guilty of censoring because someone
asked John not to post the signature again. Let me
see....hum...let's see if I can find some of those posts. O yeah,
found one. Pretty neat huh?
From: John Hamilton <jlhamltn@pacbell.net>
To: "'errancy'" <errancy@infidels.org>
Subject: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
Date sent: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:30 -0700
Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature file,
and my reply. Once people start censoring objectionable speech the
next step is always objectionable ideas.
John Hamilton
Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
The other day upon the stair,
I met a man that wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish I wish he'd go away.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
(I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible verse)
|,,|/
<X><
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer;
Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins;
Eric B. Hedden; Farrell Till; Fred D. Whitelaw; Izz; John Anderson;
John F. Gaines; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Ma rk T. McWhorter;
Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J Ditoro; Richard
Fentiman; Sandra Cobble; Steve Willis Subject: RE: John Hamilton's
remarks
John Hamilton
Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
The other day upon the stair,
I met a man that wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish I wish he'd go away.
What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to
censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1)
thing crude about that poem.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible quote,
are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a Bible
discussion list?
|,,|/
This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are
expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
<X><
This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for a
Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for an
atheist to express his non believe?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory;
D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B. Hedden; Farrell
Till; Fred D. Whitelaw; Izz; John Anderson; John F. Gaines; John
Hamilton; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mark T. McWhorter;
Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J Ditoro; Richard
Fentiman; Sandra Cobble; Steve Willis Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's
remarks
----------
> Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> From: L. Davis
> To: jerry@cwent.com
> Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
>
>
> Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't
> believe
they
> have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you please
refrain?
>
Now that one was from John Hamilton. Then there was this one from
Ian Dorian:
Date sent: Thu, 01 May 1997 08:55:04 -0600
From: Ian Dorion <dorioni@intellinet.com>
Organization: B-tech
To: errancy@infidels.org
Subject: Re: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
(Ian 5/1) Now perhaps each of you can see why some of our founding
fathers fought so hard for the separation of church and state. There
were some of these gentlemen that did want this country to be a
"Christian" country. Then of course, it had to be a "Protestant"
country. From there it went to "Episcopal' states and 'Congregational'
states.' Of course, the upstart religions, Baptists, Methodists and a
handful of the Presbyterians objected, among others.
This is where censorship leads, and that is only the beginning.
Would someone please remail this to all those on Jerry's list. Thank
you.
Ian Dorion
dorioni@intellinet.com
John Hamilton wrote:
>
> Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature file,
> and my reply. Once people start censoring objectionable speech the
> next step is always objectionable ideas.
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those
> of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial
> 23:20 (I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible
> verse)
>
> |,,|/
>
> <X><
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
> To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob
> Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David
> Adkins; Eric
B. Hedden; Farre
> Subject: RE: John Hamilton's remarks
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to
> censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1)
> thing
crude about that poem.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those
> of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial
> 23:20
>
> Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible quote,
> are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a Bible
> discussion
list?
>
> |,,|/
>
> This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are
> expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
>
> <X><
>
> This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for a
> Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for an
atheist to express his
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
> To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay,
> Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B.
> Hedden;
Farrell Till; Fred D. W
> Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's remarks
>
> ----------
> > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> > From: L. Davis
> > To: jerry@cwent.com
> > Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
> >
> >
> > Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't
> > believe
> they
> > have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you
> > please
> refrain?
> >
Then another from Ian:
Date sent: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:23:31 -0600
From: Ian Dorion <dorioni@intellinet.com>
Organization: B-tech
To: jmcdonald@mail.potosi.k12.mo.us
Copies to: errancy@infidels.org
Subject: Re: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
(Ian 5/1) Jerry which of the poems, symbols, ect. do you object to?
jerry d. mcdonald wrote:
>
> > From: John Hamilton <jlhamltn@pacbell.net>
> > To: "'errancy'" <errancy@infidels.org>
> > Subject: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:30 -0700
>
> > Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature
> > file, and my reply. Once people start censoring objectionable
> > speech the next step is always objectionable ideas.
> >
> > John Hamilton
> > Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
> >
> > The other day upon the stair,
> > I met a man that wasn't there.
> > He wasn't there again today,
> > I wish I wish he'd go away.
> >
> > "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those
> > of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial
> > 23:20 (I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible
> > verse)
> >
> > |,,|/
> >
> > <X><
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
> > To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob
> > Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David
> > Adkins; Eric
B. Hedden; Farre
> > n; John F. Gaines; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mark T.
> > McWhorter; Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J
> > Ditoro;
Richard Fentiman; Sandr
> > Subject: RE: John Hamilton's remarks
> >
> >
> > John Hamilton
> > Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
> >
> > The other day upon the stair,
> > I met a man that wasn't there.
> > He wasn't there again today,
> > I wish I wish he'd go away.
> >
> > What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to
> > censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1)
> > thing
crude about that poe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those
> > of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial
> > 23:20
> >
> > Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible
> > quote, are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a
> > Bible discussion
list?
> >
> > |,,|/
> >
> > This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are
> > expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
> >
> > <X><
> >
> > This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for
> > a Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for
> > an
atheist to express h
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
> > To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay,
> > Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B.
> > Hedden;
Farrell Till; Fred D. W
> > John Hamilton; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mark T.
> > McWhorter; Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J
> > Ditoro;
Richard Fentiman; Sandra C
> > Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's remarks
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> > > From: L. Davis
> > > To: jerry@cwent.com
> > > Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't
> > > believe
> > they
> > > have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you
> > > please
> > refrain?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> McDonald 5/1
> Now why don't you tell them about my response to their
> objections to your signature, John? If you don't I surely will.
> Jerry D. McDonald http://www.cwent.com/~jerry/index.html
Then Jason puts his two cents in, even though he knew nothing about
what had really taken place because he is not a subscriber to the
list and was not getting the posts:
Date sent: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:56:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Miracle <miracle@procyon.com>
To: Errancy List <errancy@infidels.org>
Subject: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship (fwd)
RJV 5/1
Does anyone else see that Jerry McDonald is being a bit fascist?
Nothing like a bit of authoritarianism to make one feel powerful...
-- R Jason Valentine ..ooOO
miracle@procyon.com
Dilbert: "I've identified the brain chemical that controls happiness.
And I found the exact mix of fruit and vegetable juices that stimulate
its production. Do you realize what this means?"
Dogbert: "Yeah. Fruits and vegetables will be banned by the
government."
FBI Guy #1: "We're the government. We came to confiscate your
so-called 'Happiness Drug'."
Dilbert: "It's not a drug! It's just a mixture of fruits and
vegetables that makes you feel happy! You can't outlaw good
nutrition!"
FBI Guy #2: "Hmm...I guess that wouldn't make sense, would it?"
FBI Guy #1: "Ignore him. He's a new guy. Erase all the formulas for
making your 'Happiness Potion' and we won't jail you."
Dilbert: "Okay, Okay..."
FBI Guy #1: "You citizens only have the right to PURSUE happiness -
you're not actually allowed to BE happy."
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:30 -0700
From: John Hamilton <jlhamltn@pacbell.net>
To: 'errancy' <errancy@infidels.org>
Subject: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature file,
and my reply. Once people start censoring objectionable speech the
next step is always objectionable ideas.
John Hamilton
Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
The other day upon the stair,
I met a man that wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish I wish he'd go away.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
(I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible verse)
|,,|/
<X><
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer;
Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins;
Eric B. Hedden; Farrell Till; Fred D. Whitelaw; Izz; John Anderson;
John F. Gaines; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mark T. McWhorter;
Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J Ditoro; Richard
Fentiman; Sandra Cobble; Steve Willis Subject: RE: John Hamilton's
remarks
John Hamilton
Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
The other day upon the stair,
I met a man that wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish I wish he'd go away.
What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to
censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1)
thing crude about that poem.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible quote,
are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a Bible
discussion list?
|,,|/
This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are
expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
<X><
This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for a
Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for an
atheist to express his non believe?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory;
D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B. Hedden; Farrell
Till; Fred D. Whitelaw; Izz; John Anderson; John F. Gaines; John
Hamilton; John Romo; L. Davis; Lenny Santee; Mar k T. McWhorter;
Michael Fisher; Michael P. Huges; Mike Faust; Paul J Ditoro; Richard
Fentiman; Sandra Cobble; Steve Willis Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's
remarks
----------
> Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> From: L. Davis
> To: jerry@cwent.com
> Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
>
>
> Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't
> believe
they
> have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you please
refrain?
>
Fascist, huh? Authortairianism, huh? Jason why don't you get all the
information next time before you start passing judgement?
Then another one from Ian, in which he agrees with Jason that I am
fascist and even would make a good Nazi, though he knows nothing about
me. I served my country in Viet Nam and still serve my country as a
policeman (O, I'm sorry to once again remind you Farrell, that I am a
police officer). I would make a lousy Nazi.
Date sent: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:42:38 -0600
From: Ian Dorion <dorioni@intellinet.com>
Organization: B-tech
To: errancy@infidels.org
Subject: Re: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship (fwd)
(Ian 5/1) Of course he's a fascist. Of course he's not going to be a
facsist until he or his ilk gets in control of things. He wouldn't
come out in support for prayer in school - but once it got in, he'd be
100% behind it. All fundies make great Nazi's when given the chance.
For some reason my e-mail is not going out right away. I'll have to
check.
Miracle wrote:
>
> RJV 5/1
> Does anyone else see that Jerry McDonald is being a bit fascist?
> Nothing like a bit of authoritarianism to make one feel powerful...
>
> -- R Jason Valentine ..ooOO
> miracle@procyon.com
>
> Dilbert: "I've identified the brain chemical that controls
> happiness. And I found the exact mix of fruit and vegetable juices
> that stimulate its production. Do you realize what this means?"
>
> Dogbert: "Yeah. Fruits and vegetables will be banned by the
> government."
>
> FBI Guy #1: "We're the government. We came to confiscate your
> so-called 'Happiness Drug'."
>
> Dilbert: "It's not a drug! It's just a mixture of fruits and
> vegetables that makes you feel happy! You can't outlaw good
> nutrition!"
>
> FBI Guy #2: "Hmm...I guess that wouldn't make sense, would it?"
>
> FBI Guy #1: "Ignore him. He's a new guy. Erase all the formulas
> for making your 'Happiness Potion' and we won't jail you."
>
> Dilbert: "Okay, Okay..."
>
> FBI Guy #1: "You citizens only have the right to PURSUE happiness -
> you're not actually allowed to BE happy."
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:06:30 -0700
> From: John Hamilton <jlhamltn@pacbell.net>
> To: 'errancy' <errancy@infidels.org>
> Subject: Challange- the 'fruits' of censorship
>
> Below is a posting to challenge complaining about my signature file,
> and my reply. Once people start censoring objectionable speech the
> next step is always objectionable ideas.
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those
> of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial
> 23:20 (I borrowed this from Yoel, it has become my favorite Bible
> verse)
>
> |,,|/
>
> <X><
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hamilton [SMTP:jlhamltn@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 12:32 PM
> To: 'Jerry McDonald'; April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob
> Bauer; Castonguay, Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David
> Adkins; Eric B.
Hedden; Farre
> Subject: RE: John Hamilton's remarks
>
> John Hamilton
> Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
>
> The other day upon the stair,
> I met a man that wasn't there.
> He wasn't there again today,
> I wish I wish he'd go away.
>
> What, pray tell is crude about that poem? Know you are going to
> censor us on our signature file? I challenge you to find one (1)
> thing crude about that poem.
>
> "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those
> of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial
> 23:20
>
> Now, this could be considered to be crude, but it is a Bible quote,
> are you saying that Bible quotes are inappropriate to a Bible
> discussion list?
>
> |,,|/
>
> This is the American sign language symbol for I love you, are
> expressions of love inappropriate for this list?
>
> <X><
>
> This is my own opinion about the Christian religion. Is it ok for a
> Christian to put "In His service" or some such thing but not for an
> atheist to express his
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry McDonald [SMTP:jerry@cwent.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 11:56 AM
> To: April Dorsey-Tyler; Bill Carrell; Bob Bauer; Castonguay,
> Gregory; D.B. Willis; Daniel J. Wolfram; David Adkins; Eric B.
> Hedden; Farrell Till; Fred D. W Subject: Fw: John Hamilton's
> remarks
>
> ----------
> > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 02:32:28
> > From: L. Davis
> > To: jerry@cwent.com
> > Subject: John Hamilton's remarks
> >
> >
> > Personally, I find your cutesy crude poems offensive and don't
> > believe
> they
> > have any relevancy to any discussion on this list. Could you
> > please
> refrain?
> >
And you know what? It was not until I sent my post yesterday that
everyone quit talking about me as though I was the most terrible
person on earth. John, however, knew that I sent my message to those
on my list upholding John's right to post his signature, shortly
posted his message to this list. Yet, he never has said, "I was
wrong, Jerry didn't censor my signature." He sent his post out at
1:06 p.m. on the 30th. I didn't get my post out until 8:38 p.m. that
date. I apologize for not getting it right out, but I was working on
the church building trying to get it ready to be sprayed for insects
and also for our homecoming in July. That took most of my day. I
believe that I was able to download the mail a couple of times and
send it out to people on the list, but I didn't have time to write my
response on brother Davis' complaint until later. However, even
after I sent my response to the complaint, which you, Farrell, John,
and April all got, no one bothered to stop people on the list and
correct them. I wonder why?
As far as my being beaten on the list is concerned, not in your
wildest dreams bud. I was stopped from continuing my discussions on
the inspiration of the Bible because we got into evolution and
everyone complained about that. So, I won't discuss these things any
more on this list. I will just go to my own list and discuss them
there. No one on this list has said anything that has even come close to
beating my arguments that I have posted. I haven't responded to much of
what you people have brought up since because I have been busy
working my own list. I will respond to things now and then, but
don't expect me to be as active on this list as I was when I have to
work my own list. I also have my work to do for the church, don't
forget. I will get to you people when I can, but not until. Again,
I am on the Firm Foundation list, the Gospel Advocate list and the
Bible Infonet List. Now I am in the process of negotiations for a
written debate, and I am trying to turn it into a public debate. I
have my next issue of Challenge to work on. And I do have to do
things with my family. I went fishing with Thomas the other day and
Andrea wants me to do some shopping with her. And I, of course, do
go out on patrol. So, I am not going to be as active as I used to
be. That doesn't mean I am beaten, it just means that I am a very
busy person.
Izz, you know that you were very insulting to Bill Carrell. Bill
just asked you why since you didn't believe in God that you would
even object to the things that happened to those little babies. When
he said you had a ways to go, he wasn't saying that you weren't worth
anything, he was merely saying that you needed to lay some ground
work before you could legitimately complain, and before he thought it
would be worth the time to do the research. I explained all this to
you, but you have chosen to ignore it. You wanted the last word on
this on my list and you aren't going to get the last word. I
considered posting your response, but then I would have had to have
posted a response behind it and then you would have wanted another.
So I just stopped it where it was. In my publication, Christians
will always get the last word, just like atheists will always get the
last word in the Skeptical Review. What's wrong with that, huh?
That's the rules that Till has operated by ever since TSR has been in
existence. He claimed at one time to give inerrantists the last
word, but every time we sent him an article he would always have
something to say about it in the end, and he knows this to be true.
As the editor of the publication, he has the last word, just like the
editor of any other publication on this manner. I don't find fault
with that.
Also, you said that I was confused about which message you said that
I was sitting on. Since I didn't turn the computer on that day until
about 6:30 p.m. and then I downloaded my mail and sent it to the list
(with the exeception of your's and John's on the matter between you
and Bill Carrell) with the promise that I would take care of it when
I came in off of patrol, and you say that this was not the one that
you accused me of sitting on, just which message was it. I asked you
this in a personal message and you have refused to answer. All I got
out of you was that you were unsubscribing to my list. So, since you
are not going to tell me privately, maybe you can tell me publicly.
Just which message are you referring to?
Now John sends this post to errancy:
From: John Hamilton <jlhamltn@pacbell.net>
To: "'jmcdonald@mail.potosi.k12.mo.us'"
<jmcdonald@mail.potosi.k12.mo.us> Subject: RE: The fruits of
censorship Date sent: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:43:22 -0700
Sorry for the delay, I was away from my computer yesterday. I did not
in my message accuse Jerry of censoring my sig file. I did ask the
person complaining about the contents of my sig file the rhetorical
question "are we to have our signature files cen sored?" I do
consider his 'suggestion' that it is inappropriate for this list to be
a call for censorship, and I congratulate Jerry on not following
through on that suggestion.
John Hamilton
Jlhamltn@pacbell.net
The other day upon the stair,
I met a man that wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish I wish he'd go away.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of
donkeys, and whose emission was like that of horses." -Ezekial 23:20
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McDonald 5/2
If he wasn't accusing me of censoring his signature file, then
what did he mean when he sent his post to this list: " Below is a
posting to challenge complaining about my signature file, and my
reply. Once people start censoring objectionable speech the next step
is always objectionable ideas."? Apparently others such as Jason and
Ian thought that he was saying that I was censoring his signature.
I do appreciate his willingness to admit that I had not censored his
signature. However, I don't recall anyone asking me to do that. I
do recall one person asking him to refrain from using it. I also
recall another complaining about gutter language on the list. I
responded to both, and nothing more has been said concerning my
decision on my list.
Challenge is not a highly one-sided mailing list. As long as people
are willing to abide by what few rules I have set forth, then anyone
can participate. I have not once, censored anyone's post concerning
their beliefs. I did refuse to post Izz's last response because if I
had posted his, I would have had to have posted April's, John's, and
Farrell's. Then I am sure that there would be some on my side who
would have wanted to respond. If I allowed that all I would have is
haggling over who started what. Challenge is a discussion list where
anyone can come and discuss these issues. Till has a rule that
"errancy" is a list to discuss only the inerrancy (or errancy) of the
Bible. I noticed that when people got off on evolution that everyone
on Till's side got upset. As April asked me, "what's a little
digression?" No, Till has rules and I am obeying those rules to the
best of my ability. I will no longer discuss issues like evolution.
The only reason I am sending this post is because of all the mail
that has been generated over my so-called censorship. I want to get
it out to everyone that I was not censoring John's signature. Since
he and Izz both admit it, there should be no more discussion on the
matter. However, if there is, it won't come from me because this is
the last thing I will ever say on the matter.
In His Service,
Jerry D. McDonald
http://www.cwent.com/~jerry/index.html
jmcdonald@mail.potosi.k12.mo.us
jerry@cwent.com