(DAVE 5/2) Farrell: Patient with me? It is I who must be patient as you
continue to redefine the meanings of words - "error" means wrong Farrell.
You have failed to show any error in these two accounts, yet now you decide
to angle off on the "unclear" theory - that is not error, Farrell, it just
means that something is unclear to you (a fact I have been aware of for some
time now). Please, I ask again, tell me which one of the two accounts is
wrong - that is all I ask - seems simple enough for someone who has already
stated that at least one is wrong - I'm just curious which one.
By the way, you're right, I don't understand where you get your "errancy"
doctrine - I always thought that errancy meant there was error. Seems I
was mistaken, since you can't seem to show any error in these two accounts
we are discussing. Or can you?
Farrell
If I write a
document in which I say that there are 5,760 feet in a mile, I have not
contradicted anything else in the document (provided that I nowhere else
stated the number of feet in a mile or claimed a different number of feet in
a mile); nevertheless, I have made an erroneous statement. A failed
prophecy would be an error, but it would not be a contradiction. Surely,
you can see this.
(DAVE 5/2) Farrell: yes I do. We are not talking about any failed
prophecies though. If there are two statements such as the ones we are
discussing, then there would be a contradiction - at least one of them would
have to be wrong. Which of these statements, then, Farrell is "erroneous"?
Farrell
Now in the matter under discussion, YOU are claiming that Moseroth and Mt.
Hor were the same places.
(DAVE 5/2) Farrell: NO I am not - please show me where I said this. I
have suggested it as a possiblity. I have made no assertion whatsoever - in
fact, as you no doubt know, I have said that we CANNOT know if these
staements are contradictory or not as we don't know where these places are.
YOU are making the assertion of error. The burden of proof is on YOU.
Don't ask me to defend something that isn't there in the first place.
Farrell
This is, of course, a claim for which you have
absolutely no proof at all, but you apparently belong to the
any-explanation-will-do school of apologetics.
(DAVE 5/2) Farrell: Please show where I stated they were the same place.
If you cannot, please detract and apologize for this lie you have just
posted. It seems, in your scampering to find some justification for your
assertion of error, that you will resort to any type of explanation instead
of admitting what we all know: we don't know where Moserath and Mount Hor
were, so we don't know if there is a contradiction. You're being most
dishonest here Farrell - it is most unbecoming.
Farrell
So you seem to think that a
how-it-could-have-been explanation resolves a discrepancy whether there is
any proof for the explanation or not. I have given ample textual evidence
from the Bible to show that it is extremely unlikely that 3 million people,
requiring at least five square miles--and probably even more--of camping
space, could have broken camp and traveled on seven times and still have
been in the same geographical region in which Mt. Hor was a specific
location. You have not even tried to address that evidence.
(DAVE 5/2) Farrell: It is not evidence that is why - it is your "this is
what I think is most likely" type mentality. Sorry, but that means little
to me. I have honestly asked you for REAL evidence to support your
assertion that Moserath and Mount Hor were separate places. You have
avoided this request continually, and I am sure will continue to do so.
Don't talk to me about how many Israelites it would take, to span the Sinai,
that is not evidnece, just biased conjecture on your part. Show me your
evidence or drop your claim of Biclical contradiction on the matter in
question.
(DAVE 5/2) Snip - more dodging - my brother was right - you seem to use
more words when you have no point. Let's condense this matter and put it to
rest:
You claim there is a contradiction, or error (s) between the two statements
concerning Aarons death in Numbers 33 and Deut 10. These two places state
that Aaron died in Moserath and Mount Hor. You state that this is a
contradiction.
Therefore, it follows that you know where Moserath and Mount Hor were and
that they are SEPARATE places. I have asked for your evidence to prove this.
Now I am well aware that we don't know where they are, and have stated so -
you have dishonestly even tried to misrepresent me by saying I was providing
"explanations" as to where they were - I have not done this. I have said I
can't defend a contradiction where there isn't one (that we know of).
That is where we lie - you have gone off on a number of tangent matters to
try to deflect the issue from this one unsubstantiated assertion you have
made. It is rather sad to see how you wriggle. I'm not interested in your
theories Farrell, just your facts.
Which account/s (above) is wrong, Farrell?
The burden is on you. Prove it or drop it.
Regards.
Dave.
"If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was clearly a miracle. Keeping
awake while he did it was, at any rate."
- Mark Twain on the Book of Mormon