(DAVE 5/2) Farrell: Then you have a different definition for error then
most people in this world (other than atheists of course). Something
"wrong" is something not "right" - it has nothing to do with how it is
understood - there is truth or there is not truth. You have absolutely no
idea where Moserath and Mt Hor actually were, yet you make assertions based
on ONLY knowing where they were - you are the only thing that we know is
contradictory here.
Oh yes, we're all well aware that you can postulate and guess what you think
MIGHT have occurred, or what you deem was "likely", or how you feel God
SHOULD be acting, but, thankfully, truth is determined on what is right, and
not on what Farrell Till likes to suggest.
Have I made myself clear enough? After all I wouldn't want to be labelled
errant.
TILL
Here's my question again, Dave? Let's hope that you finally address it.
When two statements contain conflicting claims, is it necessary to know
which one is true and which one is wrong in order to know that error has
been made?
DAVE
There is no contradiction, Farrell, that we know of - dance all you want
with these "calculations" you have made - the ONLY thing that will determine
a contradiction or not is knowing the locations of Moserath and Mount Hor.
I'm still waiting for this evidence.
TILL
Well, see my question above. Also look at an earlier posting in which I
again summarized the logistics involved in 2.5 to 3 million people breaking
and setting up camp seven times. This posting also pointed out that the
locations of the 6th and 7th of those encampments are known and that they
are about 70 miles apart. Please tell us how that this in any way supports
your view that Moseroth and Mt. Hor were the same place.
DAVE
I know you and others have already adjusted the English language on the word
"atheist", but now you spin the meaning of "error" as well to suit your
purposes - this is getting ridiculous - do you really believe what you preach?
TILL
I have another question for you. Except for the few cases (dairies and
classroom notes) when someone might write only for him- or herself, what is
the purpose of written documents? Answer that, and I'll get back to your
complaint.
DAVE
Which of Yoel's statements were wrong, Farrell? Even Yoel stated that none
of them were. But I am interested to hear from you which ones are.
TILL
I didn't at all understand Yoel's communication, and that was what was
"wrong" with it. Except for the few cases noted above, one writes to
communicate ideas to readers. If the ideas are not communicated clearly,
then the writer has failed; he has wasted his time. I think that I have
read enough textbooks on writing to know that this is a recognized
principle. So please explain why an omniscient, omnipotent deity would not
know basic information that any reputable author of a writing textbook would
know. Why would an omniscient, omnipotent deity inspire a writer to write
something that would not be understood but only generate confusion and
controversy? If that is not "error," what is it? You won't forget to
answer the question, will you?
DAVE
And then please tell me which account(s) is wrong: Deut 10 or Numbers 33?
This
is the third time I have asked you to tell me which one(s) is wrong so I can
"defend" your assertion, yet you have failed to do so. I doubt you will
either.
TILL
And this is is surely the sixth or seventh time today that I have answered
your question. WHEN TWO STATEMENTS CONTAIN CONFLICTING INFORMATION, ONE
DOES NOT HAVE TO KNOW WHICH STATEMENT IS TRUE AND WHICH IS WRONG IN ORDER TO
KNOW THAT ERROR EXISTS IN AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO STATEMENTS.
DAVE'S SIGNATURE:
"If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was clearly a miracle. Keeping
awake while he did it was, at any rate."
- Mark Twain on the Book of Mormon
TILL'S SIGNATURE
"If Moses composed the Pentateuch, the act was clearly a miracle. Keeping
awake while he did it was, at any rate."
- Farrell Till on the Pentateuch
Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net