(Raymond 5/4) Actually neither one presumes to know precisely where Mount
Hor was. But both Mr. Till and the NIV are in the same situation--they
both found in an instance where, based on surrounding textual evidence, it
would be absurd to consider the disputed locations to be the same.
The point is, that the tactic is valid on both sides, but if we apply your
critiques to Mr. Till we should also do so to the NIV. If we did then we
would get a very strange case of geography where the northern border of
Canaan (I think) is marked by Mount Hor, but Mount Hor is also below the
southern border (marked by Edom).
(BTW, the NIV does claim to know where Mount Hor is--the note says
"possibly Mt. Hermon, but NOT the Hor of 20:22." How would the authors
know they are not the same unless they know where Mount Hor is?)
(DAVE 5/6) Raymond: As I said, I don't have that in my NIV, but, those
being the words, they are either implying that they know where Mount Hor
was, or they know for a fact that there are two Mount Hors and that this one
doesn't correspond to the other in 20:22 - either way, I agree, it would be
nice if they supplied a little more support for this claim.
Since I don't have the writers of the NIV handy to ask, I do have Farrell,
who is making the same type of claim - he either knows where Mount Hor
was/is and/or he knows where Moserath is.
Raymond, I have no difficulty in admitting something I don't know - and in
the case of the locations of Moserath and Mount Hor, I have very little idea
where they were - what I find difficult is when someone states that two
things are contradictory (and therefore at least one of them is in error)
when that person, as well, doesn't know any more then I do. To say A and B
do not agree, one must know what A and B are (or are not) - is this not
correct? I could hold two ice cream cones in my hand, and title them
Flavour A and Flavour B - if I asked you if the two flavours were the same,
based on that information, how would you answer? In the same way if I said
Place A and Place B, but gave you no other information, could you state
where these places were? And even further - could you say they either were,
or were not, the same place?
Farrell, Izzy, Yoel, and Ralph have all argued that Moserath and Mount Hor
are SEPARATE places. It was Izzy who first put forth that this WAS a
contradiction. Since he has, with their support, they MUST know that
Moserath and Mount Hor are separate places - my question is simply how do
they know that?
It has nothing to do with what I believe at all - a non-believer could
fairly ask the very same question. Where is the contradiction?
Look forward to your response, Raymond (as none of the above people seem to
want to respond to this question).
Regards.
Dave.
"Instead of wondering why there aren't more ways to God, the appropriate
response would be to marvel that there IS a way, and accept it with humility
and gratitude."
- Michael Horner