Blood, Water and Magicians (1b)
Farrell Till jftill@midwest.net
Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:18:25 -0700 (00907240705, 2.2.32.19981001061825.00897ac8@midwest.net)
At 09:51 PM 9/30/98 -0500, Greg Mills wrote:
>>TILL
>>My evidence to the contrary is simple logic. If ALL of the water
>throughout
>>all the land of Egypt had been changed into blood, then it would have been
>>logically impossible for the magicians to have done the same with their
>>enchantments. So until you can explain how that such would be possible, why
>>is it not reasonable to see the logistic impossibility as "contrary
>>evidence"? As for the "present matter of the text," what is there to
>>conclude? You have admitted that the text does not say how the Egyptians
>>managed to do the same with their enchantments, and you just stated (above)
>>that other than for the biblical record you know of no "other unbiased
>>validation" of the event. So why wouldn't the "present matter of the text"
>>already be concluded?
>>
>
>
>Greg Mills
>
>After all the water was changed into blood and before the magicians did
>likewise, God changed it back into water. This action was not important to
>the point of the story and therefore it was not recorded. The same thing
>can be said about the cattle. It is not logically impossible for an event
>to happen and not be recorded. Besides we know if the magicians changed it
>all into blood then God had to have changed it back and to say so would then
>be redundant.
>
TILL
I know you're being facetious, Greg, but in case any inerrantists on the
list should think you have a good solution to the problem, I will point out
to them that your line of reasoning attempts to prove inerrancy by assuming
inerrancy. Grant me the right to assume the inerrancy of a text, and I will
have no problem at all proving that it is inerrant. In fact, if this right
is conceded in advance, there would be no need to debate whether the text is
inerrant.
GREG
>BTW, what does "CCBE" stand for?
>
TILL
Well, Matt Bell has been on the list for about a year now and has
experienced all sorts of setbacks, humiliations, and frustrations in his
attempt to prove biblical inerrancy. Hired guns that he brought in to fight
his battles for him were dispatched rather quickly, and so his latest effort
has been the formation of the CCBE. I think the letters stand for
Christians Combating Biblical Errancy or something like that. He has a list
that he tried to close to everyone but Christians, so that they could
discuss among themselves how to answer the arguments against biblical
inerrancy that they see on this list. This effort is also turning into
another failure for him, because the inerrancy position is obviously
suffering as much as ever. Also, some of the members of his closed list
have been sending me copies of their discussions, and this has irritated
Bell. Some of the members of his list are jokes as far as their apologetic
talents are concerned. David Lim is one of them, and anyone who has seen
postings on other lists from David Lim knows that he can hardly write a
coherent sentence, yet he is apparently a member in good standing of the CCBE.
Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net